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Summary: A fun episode thanks to my guest and long time friend Integro aka Bushi. Being black and gay growing up in Louisiana isn’t easy, but as we weave the conversation from one outrageous situation to the next I come to understand how he came to be the friend I know him as today. We discuss discovering sexuality, how cops are viewed by minorities and what it means to have representation in the furry fandom.

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July 12th 2020 I finally got to interview a good pal of mine Bushido Black aka Integro. I’ve known him for a few years now, but at the same time, I didn’t know what was really going on in his head. He’s the strong silent type when it comes to personal issues, ya dig?

So when he opened his mouth and unleashed a tidal wave of FAX no printer… I was shocked to say the least, but delighted at the same time. We got to share some laughs about the absurdity of fleshlights made out of nutella and dumb police systems in place.

Things got heated a few times, but the big take away from the night was: DE-FUND THE POLICE! Period.

Vatika goes by HE* apologies!

[00:00:00] Rhyner: [00:00:00] You are now listening to the what's the fuzz podcast episode four interview with Integro,

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I just really love the shirts that have come out for H M FF. Tonight's going to be a real treat. I've got my buddy Bushi in the house

Integro: [00:01:49] Wassup

Rhyner: [00:01:52] if you're not familiar with, Bushi probably known by his, fursona's name Integro, but it's weird as fuck to call him that. So I'm not going to, he's a [00:02:00] thoughtful dragon that wandered into my district server a long ass time ago.

And I'm super glad he did. He's been the wise trusted friend. I look to when nothing else matters for a few years now. To get an idea of what kind of guy he used to be the commentator for his smash, local and Louisiana. But since mrs. Corona came in and ablated, basically everything he's become a recluse gas in up his peeps in his Twitch chat while playing rivals of either you can catch him on his at Twitch.

Uh, it was solo underscore old, but the. L is an eye and the same goes for his Twitter.

Integro: [00:02:36] It's a capitalize I, yeah.

Rhyner: [00:02:38] Yeah. That, that thanks so much for coming out.

Integro: [00:02:42] Absolutely. It's my pleasure.

Rhyner: [00:02:44] Awesome. Awesome. So we're changing things up for the podcast. I wanted to start interviews off by asking a icebreaker question.

Are you ready? Would you rather fuck a Fleshlight made out of jelly or Nutella?

[00:03:00] Integro: [00:03:01] Oh no. Oh wait.

Okay. You got me

now. See. Wow. Okay. I think I would pick the jellies cause like. Don't get me wrong and Nutella is extremely addictive, but I got him. I got enough Brown on me as it is, and I don't need more. Um, on top of this, um, I don't know. I'd have to ask the bottoms. I'd have to ask the bottom from the past. I don't think I tastes like hazelnut.

That would just be overkill. That being said jelly, easier, clean, uh, sweet to taste. Um, Or at least give it a taste once and leave it at that the cleanup is more than likely going to be really, really sweet, like Swift cause like you're done, you know, you don't, [00:04:00] you don't need much effort to get this gone.

So I think that would be the move. I think that would be.

Rhyner: [00:04:07] What if it gets all crusty in the folds and it gets like these, those sticky parts, like in the folds.

Integro: [00:04:15] So the thing, the thing about flashlights is that you treat them shits instantly. You do not wait to clean them shits once you're done with it, you go immediately, you clean them up.

So I already got the process down. I cleaned the inside, like thoroughly as shit from the outside, as much as necessary, assuming, you know, Mess made it all God forbid, but it does happen a lot.

Rhyner: [00:04:36] Um, That was a lot of information.

Integro: [00:04:39] You're right. I shouldn't have said that. Holy fuck.

Rhyner: [00:04:41] I was talking about the folds in your penis by the way, but that about answers my question.

So that's how the ball rolling on the show. Now revolution is here. Anyway,

[00:05:00] the first thing I want to know. Since you've gone from being a Panda to a dragon is one. What got you into the fandom in the first place and to what marked a change for you to elevate that part of you into who you are now?

Integro: [00:05:15] So my first interaction with like my first actual interaction with the fandom, like actually was like, Two three years ago, maybe like late twenties.

It was, it was definitely like when I was in college that I first got my first persona based off of the nickname that you guys gave me Bushi. I wasn't very good with names. So obviously I had my little ass Gore moment and just named them. She could say it, it's simple, it's effective. It gets the job done.

And it's a very cute name for a very cute Panda. Um, I was mostly rocking him for the longest. And then eventually I kind of thought to myself, well, I don't really feel like this is what I identify as anymore. So I kind of changed to Integro because like I like Bushi was where I was, but Integra is where I want to be.

But in a way [00:06:00] I'm kind of starting to see him now. Like he is who I am. And it's really like, like thinking on it more like that's kind of a relief to think about thinking how my mentality has changed from, ah, yes. This is where I want to be as opposed to, Oh yes, this is who I actually am because you know, it's, it's, it's self validating.

To know that the character you've created in the sense has become the person you become, the person that you've set out to be in essence, like I set a goal for myself and I've become, I've reached that point. So now it's just like, you know, doing better and stuff like that.

Rhyner: [00:06:33] So it really helps you out mentally to have a persona that's more closely to your own person.

Integro: [00:06:40] Cause like I've had the idea of making more characters. If I had the money for it, I would do it, but I don't. So I won't, um, like I've had the idea of making more characters to like flesh out different parts of my imagination into a personality and stuff like that. And would they represent me necessarily down to the [00:07:00] T?

Not really, but some would some wouldn't, it's just a lot of ideas that come around. But in the case of my son and me personally, I do feel that the closer it is to me, the more I feel like the more, the better I feel about it, the more connected I feel to it.

Rhyner: [00:07:16] And that's absolutely valid. Because whenever I look at a picture of Rhyner, I think the same thing, I see my soul reflected through him.

And it gives me this sense of peace that no other piece of art has ever.

Integro: [00:07:34] That's facts. That's so accurate. That's so great. Yeah. Like, uh, it's going to take me a minute to find it. I know that for a fact, but like when I got that last commission, uh, here it is. Oh, that didn't take me long at all, but I got this commission right here.

Um, it ended up being one of my favorite commissions, like ever, cause I was very much about the message and I was very much about showing the fact that [00:08:00] like I was with the message and whatnot, um, It kind of shows, you know, that the intent behind it was to show that it takes, it takes time and discipline to create something right.

And it takes time. It takes time, discipline, and effort. And whether it be a, whether it be, you know, a formulated outlook on life and things as it is, or whether it be. The, um, the reconstruction of the reformation of the powers that be, or whether it be just to like motivate yourself to get up out of bed every single day, like, or find a reason to consistently motivate yourself and get out of bed every single day.

Like there's always time, effort and discipline that comes into it. And it, it, it really like. Like when I came up with a message, I kind of had that aha moment. It's like, seeing it realized in this way was kind of like, it wasn't exactly how I wanted it to be realized because like, I kind of wanted to do like standing and holding the plant, but like him sitting in the hole, like him sitting in room, the plan is even better.

Like even with the different glows and stuff like that, like, [00:09:00] ah, this is actually one of my favorite pictures ever. Like,


God, I'm done.

Rhyner: [00:09:12] Oh, I didn't know. There was all that meaning behind it, but that's a nice little, a fun fact there. Thank you.

Integro: [00:09:18] You're welcome.

Rhyner: [00:09:22] All right. Did you want to add anything else before we go onto the next question?

Integro: [00:09:27] Not to not, and that's fine. You're good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good.

Rhyner: [00:09:35] Got you. So you're a gay man, right?

Integro: [00:09:41] Well, I've been today of all days, I've actually been struggling with that. I've been grappling with that question. I'm thinking, I'm thinking I'm more by, than not like I'm thinking of more by than anything. Cause it's like, it's like, it's like, you know how there's different levels of being by like, it could be like majorly attracted to men, but not [00:10:00] so much attractive women, but still attracted to women.

Like that's where I'm at right now.

Rhyner: [00:10:04] Hmm. Okay. Could you walk us down that path of self discovery?

Integro: [00:10:09] So like, I got you. So the very first time I ever like, had to like grapple with my sexuality was of course in high school or at least the first time I really confronted it was in high school. Cause like the thoughts were there as a kid, but I never understood what they were.

The thoughts were there as a, as a adolescent. I never understood what they were, but once I came into high school and I really started like actually thinking about it and like hearing talks about it and knowing about it more, I came to realize like, huh, I like dudes, bro. Like. I like dudes and it really scared me cause like, in my grade, in particular, despite the fact that it was a 96 class, um, it was a small class in high school.

Our school. Wasn't that big to begin with? 96 people was not a big class in high school at all, but like out of all 96 people at that point in time, there wasn't a [00:11:00] single person in that grade. At that time that had come out of game. We had a couple of former classmates, one in particular came out of strands.

Um, I hope she's doing well. Um, we haven't talked in years. I know the last time we talked, it was like rough, but that's besides the point I'm getting off track here. Point is being in high school and being on the football team. Combined was a very harrowing experience to say the least, because, you know, locker room talk is so prevalent and I'm just one high schooler.

And like, I'm just the drop in the pond. I certainly could have been the change towards that. But when the general vibe lemon, the general vibe atmosphere is already is what it is. You don't want to challenge that necessarily, or like, Be aggressive towards it. Cause you don't know what exactly will come of it.

So I kind of just rolled with it because I didn't know any better. I just knew that if I kept the peace and discovered myself in my own time, then I'll be good. You know, F F slurs being thrown out, accusations of being gay, being thrown out across the locker room every single time. Like every single [00:12:00] time they would look at me and asked me if I was gay.

I always felt my heart jumped into my mouth because like, It was true. It was to a point where initially, you know, I declared myself as bisexual, mostly because I was so afraid of just saying it. I'm just saying that I was gay. I was just telling everybody or telling myself that I was gay. I was so afraid of it at the time.

But eventually I talked to a couple of close friends. They helped me work up the courage to finally say it. And then of course at the very, like the last cat, the little catalyst that really did it, ironically enough was a video from sky Williams. Um, God bless that troubled ass man. Um, he basically said that he came out after high school because he would, he never would see those people ever again.

And I thought about it that way and I was like, damn, there is a very good chance that I will never, ever speak to these people ever again. I can't imagine that situation because I don't know what the future holds, but everybody's going to this college. They were mostly going to LSU. A majority of them wanted to go to LSU.

I [00:13:00] originally did, but the scholarship money wasn't good enough. That changed. Um, and I came out to everyone in high school, over Twitter, first in a group chat of my friends, of my closest friends. And then over Twitter, um, It was surprisingly well received at least upfront. It was very well received. Um, I know that there were probably a couple of people that obviously feel differently in their own ways or in private and stuff like that.

But at the very least, I had made peace with that. And finally came out in the first place. Now, fast forward a couple of years, till about earlier this year. Well, maybe a little bit last year now I knew that I felt in my sexuality, but there was like this sort of like inkling of like, huh? What, what, what, uh, what about women?

What about, you know, nine nonbinary people? What about others and stuff like that? Is it just men that I'm into or is it more than that? And you kind of made a comment at some point that like, you always thought that, like, you always saw that in me, that I [00:14:00] like had that attraction towards others. And a lot of people have like, made comments about like my, um, my sexuality, my, my preferences and stuff like that.

And I've always seen me as one thing or another, whenever I like happen to sway having a swing along. Cause like, you know, it's not, it's not set in stone. What my sexuality is, you can change. That's, that's how it is. Um, is it, um, It's gender and sexuality that are fluid, right? Or is it like, okay, that's what I figured.

I was like, both of them are, are really fluid. If anything, they're not really stone per se. Um, you can change it at any time whenever you want to. That's your choice. It's your body. It's your life. It's your choice. Granted, there are some scenarios that I would not recommend. Um, You know, trying to force that, you know, trying to force that into under hostile scenarios for your own safety, but at the very least, you know, it, gender is fluid.

Sexuality is fluid. So in this case of self discovery, I kind of like realized yo women are pretty damn hot [00:15:00] too, but at the same time, like, I think. It kind of evolved into it. It evolved from, ah, yes. Women are hot to, ah, yes. Women are just great cause wow. I'm still, it's still an unknown for me, how it is with, you know, there's some things in PRI like in private spaces that are unknown to me and what I like to explore those.

Surely, but I do know for a fact that at the very moment, I'm more romantic towards women and more asexual towards women, but that of course is not set in stone. It's more so that I'm just more comfortable being romantic with women than being sexual with women, if that makes sense.

Rhyner: [00:15:46] Hmm. Okay. So you're scoping things out to see how you like it

Integro: [00:15:53] essentially.

Yeah. Cause like. Yeah. Like I've, I've really come to the [00:16:00] conclusion that like, especially when it comes to like, like you look at my preference of men, I don't really have a specific preference. Um, I do have, you know, there are obvious, like if they're obviously extremes, I'm not a fan of, and personality is always the biggest selling point for me, you know, you could look the best would be an absolute douche bag.

And I hate that. But. When it comes to when it comes to like my preference and men, like my, my last two Xs were two completely different people. Two completely different people. You know, one was when was a skinny, um, when was the skinny black man? Second one was a chunkier, not too chunky, but it sucks. Your Latino, both in my, both at the time.

And my last ex still cute wink, wink, but. They, they were completely different people. I met them under completely different circumstances and I loved them both for the reasons that I did. Of course, what happens after that difference in there is entirely, but it goes to show that I [00:17:00] don't really have, like, I have, you know, I may have favorites, but I don't really have like a specific thing that I want to go for.

You know, I don't really have like set in stone stuff. It's just, men are hot. And if men are hot, what's stopping women from being hot to me too. I look at that. I looked over there and I'm like, damn she cute. She cute. She cute. She's hot. She's cute. They're just good looking people. And for that reason, I just see myself being attracted to him.


Rhyner: [00:17:35] I get what you mean. You just want to spread the love and get that love back, right.

Integro: [00:17:40] Period.

Rhyner: [00:17:43] Yeah. It sounded like it. Cause I don't know, a while back you started showing more interest in the women's than you had previously and yeah, I made a passing comment or two, but I didn't really think too much of it, you know, because.

[00:18:00] Someone else's perspective on what you're doing. Doesn't always lead to the correct conclusion. That is to say, I could have been talking some wack ass shit

Integro: [00:18:20] that's so facts. That's so facts. Yeah. It's nothing, nothing. In your life is ultimately determined by others. It is also, it is ultimately determined by you. It is your choice. 10% of life is what comes in is what comes to you. And 90% of life is how you react to it.


Rhyner: [00:18:42] No, I never thought about it like that. I'm super proud of you for sure. Taking the time to essentially deconstruct yourself to try and understand your sexuality more as it grows and evolves with you, especially when it [00:19:00] came from such a, um, uncomfortable time for you. I would say uncomfortable.

Integro: [00:19:08] Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's for sure. That's for sure.

Rhyner: [00:19:14] All right. Well, I was also wondering if being a furry changed anything about your sexuality since you've been struggling with your sexual identity longer than you have been a furry. And even when you were at for you were furry adjacent first

Integro: [00:19:33] that's facts, long story short.

I saw high dragon dudes. I was like, damn, those are some really fucking hot dragon dudes. And then I kept looking at hot dragon dudes, and then I kept looking at it and then it just kept going from there. Essentially it confirmed that I liked guys in a way without me realizing it, but I always just like.

There was always some sort of excuse for it or something like that. But even if I look back and like, really think about what I watched and thinking about what I like took in [00:20:00] there was always like a very specific, there was always telltale signs of what I was looking at and where like what it was going towards and what it was ending up, going to like what it ended up going to be like, essentially the breadcrumbs leading to the source of the, what we're leading to the source of the bread.

The bag just needs to be secured. And the bag was secured eventually when I came out.

Rhyner: [00:20:21] Hm. So you would jerk it to a hot dragon guy, but tell yourself that it was just. The way his hair looked or something,

Integro: [00:20:33] it was just, I think yeah. Would put it more so on the art for being so, so good. Shout out. Tojo, that told you that thief, you stole my sexuality.

Goddammit told you so good. It was totally, it was nice. It was, um, those two with those two were the big two for me. Um, I can't remember the other ones off the top of my head. I think twinkle says there's lowkey. Another one. Um, But I can't remember all of the [00:21:00] others off the top of my head, but there were a couple of them that were just like really, and I always, really like, love their stuff.

And it like, kind of like. It just kind of confirmed it for me. It wasn't necessarily that it necessarily skewed it more. So it just confirmed it. I just didn't know what at the time, cause I didn't know what to think. I think it was just like, you know, I, I jerked it and I was done. And from that, like I just kind of live my life.

Not really thinking about it too, too much, but when I eventually did think about it, I was like, ah, wait, I'm homosexual. I am a. I am not a full grown, but I am a whole homosexual. God. Yeah.

Rhyner: [00:21:34] Yeah. You were a baby gay

Integro: [00:21:41] period, period.

Rhyner: [00:21:44] Did you want to add anything else before we moved on to the next?

Integro: [00:21:48] Not at all. I got nothing.

Rhyner: [00:21:50] Yeah. So how has the BLM movement changed your perspective on being a black man in America?

Integro: [00:21:58] Admittedly [00:22:00] it really just more so opened my eyes. So it's things that go on around me and things that go on around, um, the country.

Um, There was always like that, that what would BLM stood for was always something that I was taught in essence, because you know, people talking about all lives matter, but all lives cannot matter. And so black lives matter. It's that simple. And, you know, the idea of unity among the different people of different walks of life and different races was always something that I always kind of like interacted with with all the places that I went.

My upbringing essentially put me in non black. Like I didn't go to majority black schools for like all of my life really thinking about it. I think the one exception was maybe my daycare, but even beyond that, I did not go to majority black schools for all my life. So. Despite that my parents did still keep me level with the idea that like, you know, [00:23:00] cops are some bullshit.

Um, it was, it wasn't really too much, but BLM just kind of like opened my eyes towards more of it because, you know, I always heard about the Rodney King stuff when I was younger, but I didn't really like pay much attention to it. Cause when I was younger, it really wasn't important to me. But then as I got older and then like, Trayvon Martin happened.

I was like, yo, that's fucked up. That's fucked up. And there were a couple of high profile cases that I looked at and I was like, yo, that's fucked up. I E Casey Anthony, that it's not relevant to the topic, but at least like, in my mind, it was still very fucked up that she just walked away from that shit from all that.

But you know, it was, it was Trayvon Martin effort. That one, I was like, that's fucked up. George Zimmerman is a bitch. Um, I still think George's amendment is a bitch, but jeez,

Rhyner: [00:23:52] he's an Olympic villain. He's going for the gold. He assigns his name on Skittles for his [00:24:00] fans.

Integro: [00:24:01] Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, it was some other scummy shit that he did.

I forgot what it was beyond that there was some other scummy shit that he did. He is absolutely going for the gold. And

Rhyner: [00:24:13] he's going for the gold. He's got like three metals already,

Integro: [00:24:16] really though. He is a homegrown Florida bat. Like he is a Florida Brown bound, not Brown, Florida Brown homegrown baby back rib ass bitch point blank period.

And I cannot fuck with a man for real, but then, then, then it was Ferguson that happened and that changed my perspective. Seeing. Those, you know, the guys that got, you know, the guys that killed in go free. I was like, damn, that's fucked up. And then. I think George. Yeah. Oh God. There's so many names that have come into it that have come into the, um, into the act of year.

Don't even get me started on black women who, if anything had been underreported more than anything. Brianna Taylor is the [00:25:00] most recent is the most recent, extremely relevant name among this long line of names of people that have had their lives taken unfairly by the police. Um, But there was a death. I cannot remember it for the life of me and I cannot believe I cannot remember that for the life of me, but in Baton Rouge, there was another case in this Mike, my state Capitol, this happened in, um, it happened in my state's Capitol and I was like, damn.

That's fucking wild. It's not my city, but it's still my state. That's fucking wild. It should have confirmed to me that it can happen anywhere because it can happen anywhere, no matter where you are, no matter who you are. Every single one of these has been different for different reasons. Philandro Castillo was in a traffic stop.

Got lit the fuck up. Rhonda Taylor was sleeping. Got lit the fuck up. George Floyd. Choked eight minutes, 46 seconds with the neon, his neck, and a neon, his back, you know, over a long period of time with the fuck up all for different [00:26:00] reasons. I forgot which one, the one, I forgot whose name it was that was trying to sell cigarettes outside and they got choked.

Um, he was, he was the first one that, you know, I can't breathe. It became, you know, it became a bigger brother.

Rhyner: [00:26:13] Garver or something like that.

Integro: [00:26:16] I feel really, really shitty for not remembering these names, but they're generally there have genuinely been so many that I've literally forgotten them to this point, because there's just been so many and for all different reasons, too, I had the guy that was killed by two white dudes for just jogging through the goddamn neighborhood.


Rhyner: [00:26:37] In Opry.

Integro: [00:26:39] Yeah. Yes. In bright clothing, mind you, he was wearing white. Like you could see him. He was just jogging. Who the fuck goes to Rob? Anything in white clothes? Are you stupid? Are you dumb? The fuck you thinking you're dumb, Elijah McLean, a name that we had not heard of, or was really talked about for a whole [00:27:00] year because they hid the evidence for a whole year and didn't say shit bout it.

Um, this essentially, what, what BLM to summarize and sort of put in a nutshell, what it has done. Is that again, it has opened my eyes towards the injustices that this country does. You know, it doesn't on its own people. It is not a perfect country. No country is a perfect country. If there was such thing as a perfect country, then of course we would all want to live there.

America is seen as the home of the free and land of the brave and the scene of the American dream. Bars, but that's beside the point. The point is, is that a lot of people want to come to America, wanted to come to America for a lot of reasons, but as America and with Trump, as his leader, America has really shown its ass in the past couple of years because Trump really is the president that America, in my opinion, Trump is the president that America deserves.

It's not the one we wanted, but it's the one we deserve. He has shown and risen. He has shown in, dug up the ugliness of this country and really like. [00:28:00] Like poked, poked their ass off for everybody to watch. You know, America never was a fully glamorous country. We are a country that is labeled as first world.

We'll have like second world third world policies despite having first-world money. How the fuck do you not prepare for a pandemic? Hello? Fuck. Do you not prepare for any sort of. You know, how the fuck do you like overload the banks and let them shit and think to yourself? Oh yes, it's too big to fail the same.

The Titanic you saw what the fuck happened to that? He got scratched by a little bit of ice and went down. What do you mean? It's too big to fail you dumb you dumb ass. There's there's a lot of there's a lot of, of course, that's human arrogance. That's speaking here. You know, it could have happened to literally any other country at any at the time.

It just so happened to be us. But America, I think the way someone described it was like, America was like that Hollywood celebrity that you used to, like for all the reasons and all the glamour and stuff like that. But as time has gone on, they really started to like age and show, you know, all the signs, all the telltale signs that they're really fucking crazy.

It's [00:29:00] like the Britney Spears situation. But like

Rhyner: [00:29:02] I'm thinking Lindsay Lohan.

Integro: [00:29:03] Lindsay Lohan is a great example. I was going to say like, Brittany Spears is being controlled more than anything. So that's a very unfair comparison to her. Yeah. She's she's yeah. It's a very unfair comparison to her. I apologize for that.

But, or even better yet, like a Charlie sheen situation where like, there was always the signs, but then eventually he just goes like, they just go. That shit crazy. And everyone's just sees it like it's right there for everyone to see. And you're just stuck with it. Like, wow. I have to reevaluate my whole perspective on this one person that I previously liked for all the reasons that I did because they made me go.

Ha ha. Yes. That is pretty funny. Stupid American. Ah, yeah, that's pretty great. No, wait, you're actually fucking crazy. You know, like

Rhyner: [00:29:47] there's a lot of fucked up shit going on right now. And. I'm glad that the BLM movement has taken root and is a thing

Integro: [00:29:57] it's just

[00:30:00] Rhyner: [00:29:59] so fucking tragic that there's just an endless amount of names. And everyone has a story, a story that is basically a black person, tried to do a relatively. Like monotonous thing and they were murdered for it.

Integro: [00:30:22] Like, and then to see people try to justify their murder is the most asinine, frustrating thing by far.

Rhyner: [00:30:32] I can't talk to those people. I cannot talk to those people

Integro: [00:30:35] the moment they even try to do that shit. I'm done. Okay. I

Rhyner: [00:30:40] see George Floyd died of coronavirus. Me seeing people try and dig up some kind of, some kind of dirt on Ahmed, Aubrey, someone trying to dig up literally anything, any reason at all, but they don't understand the fact that [00:31:00] no, you should not shoot and kill someone for running away.

No, you should not shoot and kill someone. For getting a little upset because you are making them late for work at a traffic stop or something like that. These reasons, quote, unquote, are not reasons to kill. These are supposed to be the people that enforce the laws, even though most of them don't even know the laws.

It's. It's crazy.

Integro: [00:31:33] You know, you mentioned, those mentioned those reasons. Re literally earlier today I saw two posts, two comments to a Briana Taylor tree talking about the fact that, you know, not even the fact talking about their idea that she deserved it because she sold drugs or she deserved it because she was a criminal and she had a criminal past

at first. [00:32:00] I scrolled past that. Cause that's some bullshit, but then I stopped. He said to myself, okay, wait. Let's see what the reply is. Say it every single day, the reply at no point, did they further justify their comments with any definitive heart conclusive evidence, nothing. They were simply coming up with a bullshit reason to justify these murders because in their mind, they do not see them as worthy VP.

They do not see them as people that are worth anything. And that is disgusting. That is absolutely. That is absolutely despicable that you would go out of your way. To justify the murder of these people by people that are supposed to be protecting. And by the way, the police are not legally obligated to protect and serve the people.

That is a thing. It was settled in the Supreme court, like 30 years ago. That is a thing. Um, but yeah. You know, we have this idea that the police is supposed to uphold a sense of standard, a sense of moral, a moral standard, but they don't do this. And the people that support them [00:33:00] still support this for some strange ass reason.

And the only straight, the only conclusion I can come to is that y'all some racist ass mother fuckers, and y'all all honestly believe that we don't deserve to. You know, we don't deserve the same rights and opportunities that you do. We don't deserve the same chance to live our lives as you do, you know, the same, the same police, the department that killed Eliza McLean.

Was the same one that took in that crazy eyes, orange haired, Aurora movie theater shooting as motherfucker booby trap, a whole apartment building ass mother fucker. Talk to him, bring him in, get him into court. Have the due process, go out a whole ass terrorist, a terrorist. They let it be. But Elijah McLean.

A black man. That's all, it takes a black man. This isn't, you know, it's not, it's not [00:34:00] necessarily, you know, there may be people that will say, Oh, this is fear-mongering. What you're saying is for your migraine, what you're saying is not true. You know, they wouldn't just shoot him because he's a black man. No, they will shoot him because he's a black man.

You know why? Cause they're actual reassess people in this fucking country. It's that simple. Some people do not like me, regardless of how well I talk regardless of how good or bad I look, regardless of how I present myself, regardless of what I do, regardless of what I've done it, regardless of what I can do, they don't give a damn.

They see my skin, they see my hair, they see my nose, they see my lips. They see who I am. As I appear, I can't rip the skin off. There's nothing I can do about this, but they see that and they hate it. It's a real shame that these people are the way they are. And I cannot, I cannot for the life of me understand it.

I, I, I don't have any hatred in my heart. Inherently for anyone. Like I don't have any hatred in my heart for anyone of a certain skin color of a certain ethnicity or a certain culture, but I do not understand, and I can never comprehend the level of mental gymnastics that people must go through to justify hitting someone else [00:35:00] specifically and simply for the color of their skin and nothing more.

Because to me, that is a showing that is a telltale sign that you are not only ignorant, but you do not deserve to have any spawn. What's so fucking ever. You do not deserve to be on this earth and work with like, to work with others like that. If you hate others, that's simply based off of something. As simple as skin tone, something that they cannot change for anything or whatever they do, you know, you can bring up Michael Jackson, that man is still a black man.

He's still, there's nothing you can change about that. As a kid, you know, as a kid, you see his skin, you see his features. There's nothing you can change about that that's history. And

Rhyner: [00:35:37] he had a disease that was turning his skin white.

Integro: [00:35:40] Yep. In

Rhyner: [00:35:41] the first place. Like, I don't understand why people would even bring that up.

Integro: [00:35:45] You're you're yeah, you're right. As he was getting older, he was getting lighter and lighter and lighter. So I like, you know, There's to me, the idea racism is one that has always boggled my mind to no end. I understand [00:36:00] the sense of, you know, cultural tribalism or tribalism in general, where, you know, because we all started in different groups of people and everybody feels safest with the group that the most comfortable with.

Hence representation means that's a very important talking point, not only in major media, but in the furry community itself. Um, it is, it is. Mind boggling to me to see people go out of their way to hate others off of the color of his skin. And I will be absolutely honest. I do think that it is a shame that black people, like, I understand why they do it and I understand, you know, why it's done.

But I do think it is a damn shame when I see black people doing the same thing, because you know, it really fucking sucks having to be the better person for all your fucking life when everybody else just gets being ignorant ass. Some bitch. For no damn reason. It is frustrating. It is absolutely debilitating to be the better person, no matter what you do, no matter who you are, no matter what you say, no matter how you act, you always have to be the better person because you know, the moment you [00:37:00] act out, it is a problem.

The moment you react to it is a problem. The moment that you re the moment that you stick up for yourself for being bullied for who you are, it is a problem. And in that regard, I can see why I can see why other people do it. Honestly, I can see it because why the fuck should I put up with this shit for all I do?

And for everything that I've done, why the fuck should I ever put up with it for this long, without me, at least being able to say something back without me being able to do something about it, without me being able to speak my mind and make my presence known for that. I understand it. No, just baseless hate.

I don't fucking get it, especially when you're like, when you're already on top of already. Like what the fuck is the point? The fuck is the point, you know, be a better person, help us up. You know, we're already 400 years behind in the generational race. At least help us up there in the first place. Fuck heads.

Rhyner: [00:37:55] You bring up a lot of excellent points and [00:38:00] I want to go back to one of them. Are you familiar with, uh, Jane

Integro: [00:38:03] Elliott? Yes. Yes I am. Yes, I am those videos every now and then.

Rhyner: [00:38:11] Her blue eyed experiment. The one that's on YouTube, where she went to the UK.

Integro: [00:38:17] Oh, the UK are so bad about this. Oh, they're so bad about this.

Oh, this is better about this because it's one thing. Go ahead. Yeah. Now,

Rhyner: [00:38:26] the reason I bring this up is because you mentioned how you cannot change your skin color, and people will hate you regardless. And she was trying to illustrate to the blue eyed people, that same feeling, that same feeling of helplessness and the people in the UK just outright would not have that conversation about race.

They. In a way outright denied it existing in the first place.

Integro: [00:38:51] And

Rhyner: [00:38:53] one of the only black women in the class expressed how, no, it wasn't a black [00:39:00] woman. It was a black, it was a black man. Okay. It was a black man. He was expressing how. He does not feel comfortable picking up his daughter who is white passing because of the way that he looks.

He doesn't know if people will judge him because of how he looks and potentially call the police on him, because it does not look like

Integro: [00:39:24] his. Yeah. Yeah.

Rhyner: [00:39:26] Yeah. And this blue eyed, white woman who had to be. In her late fifties, early sixties listens to that understands that processes that and spits out this.

Anecdote about her husband having to look presentable when he's picking up their kids from school, how he has to wear presentable clothes.


[00:40:00] I comb his hair like that


any way, relevant to what this black man expressing his pain and worry for the color of his skin alone.

Integro: [00:40:14] And if anything, if anything, it does show her racial bias.

It's really her showing her ass. Cause for her to say that, Oh, my husband, my husband just looks presentable and he has to comb his hair whenever he has to go out and pick up my daughter, you know, that kind of shit is the exact same kind of perpetuation that occurs. Versus black people in the first place.

The point I made earlier about no matter what you do, you know, the way, the way Jay Z put it ironically in the story of OGL, I'll bring it up here. Uh, because it's, it's a very, it's a very relevant, it's a very relevant thing to say, you know, light nigga, dark nigga, nigga, real nigga, rich nigga polo nigga house, nigga, field [00:41:00] nigga, still nigga, still nigga.

No matter what you do, no matter who you are still nigga. And he sarcastically puts in this one part here. Oh Jay, like I'm not black. I'm OJ. Okay. Cause. The, the truth of the matter is, is that OJ C like, you know, in that instance, you know, OJ Simpson believed that he was above his race. He was a level of celebrity.

So high, you know, his race could be ignored. There was no reason for anyone to believe, you know, that he should be under the same consequences. Like I'm not these other niggers. Oh, Jay, I'm a presentable man. I'm on, I'm on ESPN. I'm well-spoken no, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And to go back to, you know, Oh, blue eyed, blue eyed woman, I made her point about being presentable.

It shows her bias because she believes that black people. Don't dress presentable and don't present themselves or assumed that if [00:42:00] you just present yourself nicely, you'll be treated. No, I could be in a suit and tie looking like I just stepped out of an agent, like looking like I just stepped out of a capital one bit like administration building from the 55th floor, working with the executives, go to pick up my wet passing daughter or son adopted more likely than not.

But you know, the future is unknown, um, from, from her school. I bring her to the car. Someone calls the cops on me thinking that I'm kidnapping a child because it's her first day at school. You know, that that example that she tried to bring is bullshit. When you consider the fact that a black doctor got the cops called on him for having, for not having his keys at his doorstep when he needed them.

So when he was trying to get into the door, his neighbor, his knee, I'm sorry, the neighbors made, excuse me, because the neighbor knew him, but the neighbors may didn't know him called the cops on him, on his own property, trying to get into his own house. This is a real [00:43:00] thing. This is a real big,

Rhyner: [00:43:05] are you shitting me right now?

I shouldn't be surprised, but hearing you say it like that,


how do you do this? How do you go through the steps in your mind to say that man is absolutely breaking into this person's house? Not that the, he lives there. Like I don't, I don't understand it

Integro: [00:43:30] cause he's a black man

Rhyner: [00:43:33] is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Wow. I didn't know about this one. I was looking up this story. I was looking at the story. Apparently earlier this year, a Florida doctor who was handcuffed in front of his home before volunteering with the homeless said he was profiled.

Miami police said the officer stopped the doctor for leaving trash in his yard. Um, Am I, yeah. As his wife and children watched them inside Miami doctor was handcuffed in front of his [00:44:00] home while he was, while he said he was loading supplies for homeless residents. Ooh. Okay.

What a world we live in, right?

Integro: [00:44:09] Oh, here's what, here's what the things connect. He said he was loading up at Vanderbilt, Tennessee plan to distribute among homeless residents in downtown Miami. He said he took the tents out of their boxes and left the boxes in the yard where he said, city workers typically pick up bulky trash. That's when he saw a police officer drive past it.

Pass down a different street, make you turn and turn down as black though. This isn't clear on the footage. He says the officer asks him about whether he lived there. Oh my God. And said, he'd heard it from, he'd heard complaints from neighbors about access with trash Henderson said he told the officer, he always leaves bulkier trash in the front of his yard and the footage, small items I've seen shown on the sidewalk and in the grass.

And there's some thought they changed ended there and turned away from the officer back towards his van.

From their arrest process, yada, yada, yada, yada,

Rhyner: [00:44:56] sad to say that at least he didn't get shot.

[00:45:00] Integro: [00:45:01] Yeah. But at least he didn't get shot. Right,

Rhyner: [00:45:05] right.

Integro: [00:45:07] Yeah. God damn.

Rhyner: [00:45:13] All right. Moving on, moving on, moving on. So right now, a lot of things that they focused on, uh, have been purely performative, kneeling, changing aunt Jemima's name and Quaker Rhodes. What voice actor is breaking out of ethic, backing out of ethnic roles, et cetera. None of that really changes anything, but it's formulated to make us feel like things are happening.

Like things are changing for us when really they aren't. So my question to you is what do you feel these change in order for things to truly be different?

Integro: [00:45:55] The one thing I will give is that in the case of, in the case of, um, [00:46:00] voice actor, stepping down from the roles, um, I do think it's performative, but at the same time it does.

You know, it does open up space for black actors, black actors just take those spaces. I think that's, I think that's an important thing to notice. It's not necessarily a black and white thing. Yeah. They're stepping down from the role, but like at the same time, black actors and actresses do get rejected at a much higher rate for just being.

You know, black actors and actresses. So what to have those opportunities to be opened up by these well known actors and actresses is a V it's actually a Boone more than anything. It is performative. Yes, but it's, despite the fact that it is performative, it's still a good thing in the end. Cause like it gives more opportunities for.

Whether it actually let's go with minorities, you know, black people and people of color to take up those roles themselves. Now, granted, there are a lot of black people that have, that have been in very well known roles that aren't necessarily literally black. So like, Oh man, that's fucked up. How did this come up?

Right? As I was talking about this, [00:47:00] God damn, Oh man, I'll get to that. I'll get to that. I'll get to that in a bit. Um, but you consider the fact that like in most cases, a lot of black people have had to really work their asses off or like find a way to work themselves into the spaces that they have that they have now.

Um, Jordan Peele, let's, let's, let's try and segue into this Jordan Peele prime example of this, the reason why he got popular. Ha ha funny, black man. Well, what he proceeded to do afterwards was create one of the best horror movies of all time and create a set and create a second movie that garnered great conversation.

Even if it wasn't as easy to like, even if it wasn't as easy to digest as the first one that he made, it was still another great. It was still another great outing for him then on top of this, because he's a well known because he is so like established with them, like, you know, Yeah, within Hollywood, he's creating a space.

For black actors to get roles. He's [00:48:00] creating a space for black actors and actresses to get roles. So it's like while the performative, while the performance things are with the art, you know, there are some people making lanes and there's more opportunities coming up for people to make lanes as things go on.

The reason I freaked out or the reason I thought, the reason I made the comment was because this read here, I to link it in the group chat, it says the most fucked up part of get out wasn't even. The abductions or the creepy shit. It was when the cop cars showed up and literally every black person in the theater was like shit or all man or gas.

That was the tail.

And it's fucked up that really fucking true. I had the exact same reaction when the cop cars showed up, I was like, Oh shit, he's about to get arrested. Isn't he? And originally he was. The original ending to get out was that he was going to be arrested and he would be behind bars, but instead [00:49:00] fuel changed it cause that's a depressing ending and who the fuck wants to watch that?

What the fuck. But it's a very real ending that being said, um, to get back on track with, with performative stuff and what needs to actually be done, I saw. I watched the video earlier when I was picking up some red beans and rice from my dad's house, um, they, they taught the guy was in Syracuse and he was talking about how he wanted a $20 million budget cut from the police.

There, reason being the police, only 5% of them actually live within the community that they serve 5%, 5%.

Rhyner: [00:49:44] Where the fuck? What, where did they come from?

Integro: [00:49:46] What? The suburbs? They come from the suburbs.

Rhyner: [00:49:50] Yeah. So they can just come in. Fuck shit up and leave. Like they don't even give a


Integro: [00:49:55] Bingo.

So [00:50:00] like that was, that was the biggest point. Like it was that, wasn't just the biggest point of his argument. The biggest point of his argument was that the mayor of Syracuse had given the most politician ass answer ever. We are looking into options and we we're considering them. You know, we were considering options.

We were looking into options and we'll cut. We'll get back to you when we have something, you know, the most politician asked answer, which essentially says, we don't give a fuck. This is not what I want to be focused on right now. Shut the fuck up, leave me alone. And the man called them out on it because that's, that's, you know, when you hear that nothing is going to be done.

Nothing is going to be done nine times out of 10. Nothing is going to be done. And like that in particular is what I want. I want the reformation, excuse me, police departments across the fucking country. Everywhere because better, like it can be done better than this easily. Very, [00:51:00] very easily. You look at all the killings that made the news that made mainstream media news, not just the local news, but made the mainstream media news.

And it is in every different part of the motherfucking country. Nowhere is exempt Midwest. Yup. South. Yep. Northeast. Yep. Northwest. Yep. Southwest. Yup. You name it. It happened. And for these performative actions to occur, it's fucking exhausting. Cause y'all like these people are not getting the fucking point.

Like, yes. Thank you for painting black lives matter on your main street and fucking Baltimore nigga, but do better and fix your fucking police department, please. Like don't just do that. Do better. Oh yes. Thank you for naming the street after one of the people that got killed, but is that helping the people that will be killed in the future by your own police foot, by your own police department, who you've refused to hold accountable for the actions that they've done to other people?

[00:52:00] I think the fuck not you trick ass bitch. And it goes further than just harming black people. When you see police officers that are genuinely sexually harassing women, as they're making arrests. Yup. Oh God.

If they fight back, who do you think will win? What do you think happens then?

Every single time, every single time you fight back the resisting arrest battery against an officer, they haven't charged for it.

It's the same way that an officer will bump into someone at a protest and they consider that battery. Yeah, you heard me right. They got it on video. Like an officer bumped into someone and arrested them afterwards after starting the conflict. What a fucking

Rhyner: [00:52:45] joke.

Integro: [00:52:46] It is literally that simple.

Rhyner: [00:52:47] What a joke.

Integro: [00:52:49] It is literally that simple, not to mention these are the same police officers that go out of their way to target certain protesters and arrest them. After finding them through tracking on social media, you know, facial [00:53:00] tracking and all this stuff like that. They go through the process. They find they go to their houses and they arrest them while they're in their fucking homes.

You know, there are actual crimes being done, but Oh, you protested against our little buddy buddy group group here that we're having such a good time with and earning 200 K pension for. So we're obviously going to have a problem with it. It's not like, you know, we're doing wrong or anything. We're just doing our job.

It's not a problem with us. It's a problem with you. So we're going to go after you because clearly you have a problem, but we don't. But the fact is that they do. And the fact is that they do need to be changed. Some things you cannot reform like the amount of white nationalists that have made their way into police departments across the country.

You cannot reform. You cannot perform that behavior. You can't do it. It's not going to happen. You'd have to, you'd have to make like a reverse Mike Pence and, um, electric. Electrotherapy the motherfuckers out at the very best. That's a very fucked up joke, but. It's not even about [00:54:00] me. It's a very fucking, it's very fucked up.

But the point is, is that there's, there's a level of ignorance where they're too far gone and it would take them looking at what they're doing and he would take them. It would take them themselves stepping back and realizing that what I'm doing is wrong. But if everyone around them says that it's okay and everyone around them is who they're cool with.

They will give a fuck. And when you're tightly knit in a group like that, so entrenched in hatred and intense entrenched in what, what you regularly do and you're comfortable with it. You know, you're not going to give a fuck

Rhyner: [00:54:39] it's, it's the mentality of it. They're basically trained to be unfeeling monsters, us versus them kind of thing.

Integro: [00:54:50] Literally. Literally early and it's even more damning when you see these police officers, you know, have very little required requirements for [00:55:00] qualifications. It's, it's, it's a very, it's a very, very. Sad thing in particular, when a police officer can get like eight weeks of training and other professions that don't require you to judge the morality of taking someone's life or not have training, that's much longer, you know, like electrician and like, um, plumbers, stylist, bro, like, Oh boy, I'm going to style someone's house.

I'm sorry. Yeah, that too. I hope. Kill them accidentally. Oh boy, I'm going to stop someone's hair. I hope I don't accidentally like their fucking skin off. Do you do you know, like exhausted,

Rhyner: [00:55:37] you will play, you will play 1000 hours of smash bros to get topic at a major tournament before when you could really just.

Go into a cop Academy for what was it? Like

Integro: [00:55:57] half

Rhyner: [00:55:58] a hundred hours or [00:56:00] something like that?

Integro: [00:56:00] Something like that. Eight weeks, seven days a week, six days, six I'm, 24 that's that's that's so depressing. That's so depressing.

Rhyner: [00:56:12] Like before all this happened, I never knew that that was the reality of the police. And that was the reality that.

We faced as, you know, darker skinned people. I'm technically light-skinned, but

Integro: [00:56:25] anyway,

Rhyner: [00:56:28] I'm a black and Mexican, so they have double the reason to kill me. So

Integro: [00:56:35] I'm going to protect your ass for show.

Rhyner: [00:56:37] Thank you.

Integro: [00:56:38] You're welcome. I'll leave. I'll I'll I'll leave at least this one last bit, um, about this conversation, um, There was a case, Sidney Torres owner of a garbage company down here in new Orleans, in the French quarter where he lived police response times were taking up to two hours, 30 minutes to three hours.

So he said, nah, y'all fucking stupid. Watch this. And he hired his own [00:57:00] private police force. The response time went down from the times I mentioned earlier to 30 minutes, three, zero 30. Because his own private police force was in the French quarter. NOPD said, no, no, no, you can't do that. They took in those officer's response times went right the fuck back up.

Rhyner: [00:57:27] Alright,

Integro: [00:57:28] Defund, on the police

Rhyner: [00:57:32] absolutely defund the police. Uh, I've been thinking about this, um, and I do agree. That the police right now, aren't trained sufficiently for what they're actually supposed to be doing. Making house calls for domestic domestic disputes. Yeah. Escalation is what they're supposed to be doing. Mainly catching bad guys and stopping bank robberies and stuff.

[00:58:00] That stuff really does not happen often enough to justify having these people. Running around town all day, looking for something to do basically. And when they show up, they're just a guy with a gun they're, uh, they're not trained that well in getting someone, getting someone from a bad head space, a neutral or positive Headspace,


And the easy way out is just to say, Oh, they talked me bang, they're dead, but that's the easiest way to do it.

Integro: [00:58:38] But what's fucked up about what you just said is that that only ever happens with one group of people. And it's the group of people that look the most like them or white in general. And that some period.

Rhyner: [00:58:46] Yeah. Yeah. They will try to talk down a white man with a holding his family hostage, but they will kill a black man for, uh, not using their turn signal [00:59:00] at a light.

Integro: [00:59:02] Literally happened, actually.

Rhyner: [00:59:04] Yeah, it has. Yes. Honestly, at this point I could say just the, anything and add black man to it, and it probably have articles somewhere.

There'll be an article somewhere.

If we can defund from the police and put those funds into schools, uh, social workers, charities, resources for people to better themselves. Then the crime rate will, they will go down. It will go down because people will have what they need and they will take what they need to better themselves because no one wants to be stuck in a situation.

Where they're just stuck in poverty and they can't go up and they can only go, nobody wants that. And I don't think enough people understand that perspective.

[01:00:00] Integro: [01:00:00] Yeah. You know, to, to, to add onto your point, this is the last bit just to add onto your point here. Um, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of people wonder, you know, there's black on black crime.

Like, what are you guys doing about that? You know, people are actually making efforts for that. And what they're doing is that they're getting the youth out of the streets. And putting something in their hands that maybe they never recognize that they have the talents of music, the talents of art, the talents of like extracurricular activities, essentially.

When, when you see, when you see these kids, like get it, get out of the streets and into extracurricular activities, it gets them off. It gets, you know, out of that situation. And it puts them in a position to be more happy, to be more happily happy with their lives and to find recreational like joy and recreation.

So. You know, with, with the idea that it should be just strict, harsh punishment death for these people, you know, that in no shape or form deserves [01:01:00] death, um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's damning and it's, it's damning and it's a damn shame is what I'd say.

Rhyner: [01:01:13] I couldn't agree with you. More happiness begins, happiness begins happiness, and then people won't have a reason to do the bad thing because they will feel the bad thing.

It's bad.

Alright. And anyway, last question for you, Boosh.

Integro: [01:01:31] Gotcha.

Rhyner: [01:01:32] I want to end on a bit of a positive note here. Who do you feel is a good representative? For the free community, as far as a black gay furry may look too.

Integro: [01:01:46] That's tough. That's really tough because the obvious answer or the obvious answer and a lot of people's minds, cause he's the most outspoken and Sonic Fox.

Right. But to me, [01:02:00] I, I always, I don't know. I always, at least. Look to how I, I'm not outspoken of a person. There's a couple of people that I would look to. I would look to fact, I would look to Zika. Um, that, you know, people looked to her for sure. I would look to soul. I would look to, um, Oh gosh. Oh gosh. I know I'm missing a name.

I know I'm missing a name. I know I'm missing a name and I can't believe it, but I would, I would definitely look to those two, like off the top of my head. Um, you know, that is the case of another outspoken person. No doubt, but she always means, well, And Seoul is a little, not as much outspoken or at least not, you know, he's just as passionate.

He just does it differently. And you know, they're not exactly the same as each other, but they're both passionate about this for obvious reasons, you know, [01:03:00] and they both always know how to speak on it. In the way that they do. And I do think that do their best to break it, to bring awareness to what's relevant and they do their best to bring awareness to what needs to be talked about.

As opposed to the silly bullshit that comes around every once in a while, like who the fuck cares about pup mass? When niggas a diet in the street of ms. Rona and police who cares, shut up, please leave that alone. We have better things to discuss like, bro. Y'all like, Oh my God, who the fuck cares, bro? Oh my God.

The the, the, the gymnastics people go go through just to like, make an accusatory point or just to like express, express this thing that they're just like, they feel uncomfortable with and assume that other people feel uncomfortable with them. I mean, that's another talking point entirely, and I don't want to go into a rant for too, too long.

So I'll just say that, like, I do think that some of the messaging, some [01:04:00] of that shit that people go after nowadays, it's just fucking necessary and there are more important things to focus on. It's not that it's not that it's wrong to talk about it. It's just the wrong time to talk about it. There are better times to talk about it.

We have more important issues at hand. That's just me.

Rhyner: [01:04:16] So basically Vatika. And Soul,

Integro: [01:04:20] yes.

Rhyner: [01:04:22] Got it.

Integro: [01:04:23] Sorry

Rhyner: [01:04:25] if I may add another person to that. Uh, I would say Gozi, he's pretty good. He's tapped


yeah. Yeah. I still have to interview him probably probably after this one, but we'll see. He's really cool actually.

Um, whenever I need to. Get tapped into the BIPOC community. I just check his Twitter account, see who has been wrestling with. And I get an idea of what's been going on. It's the only reason I knew that there was so much discourse after the. [01:05:00] The charity pride that happened with Vatika and Chise and Wolf, et cetera.

That's the only one I knew there was so much discourse about it because it was a charity drive that they didn't even expect to. Yeah. You get $9,000 from, they had started, they started with $1,000 and went from there and it was a noble effort and people were. We're saying that they were getting for con level charity donations and all this stuff.

And I thought that was awesome

Integro: [01:05:35] for just four people. Yeah,

Rhyner: [01:05:38] exactly. Exactly. Um, it's. It's just kind of strange, honestly, that people would come out of the woodwork, come out just to talk straight out their fucking ass saying that they shouldn't be proud of their accomplishment, that they're boasting that [01:06:00] they are not handling it.

Well, They're just talking about.

Integro: [01:06:04] No, really they're just proud of their work. They're proud of the fact that were black and POC. People were able to raise that much money in a single night, in the level of the level of which an entire con would have to do so they have a right to be proud of their work.

They have a right to look at what they've done and say, this is great. We did great. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. That helped you. Helped us do what we did. Thank you so much. We did great. It's really that simple. That's all they did.

Rhyner: [01:06:30] Exactly. It was something to be happy about and we deserve that. We all deserve that shit, man.

Come on

Integro: [01:06:37] really though, really though

Rhyner: [01:06:40] BIPOC led for con discourse. Now the white people are. Just throwing themselves at a wall saying that it's white exclusionary, it's white exclusionary because it's a BIPOC red led for con no, that's not what that means. You freaking idiot. [01:07:00] That's not what the white people are allowed in.

It's just not ran by white people for once,

Integro: [01:07:08] for once. It's meant to be with a heavy focus on BIPOC people. And that doesn't mean that you're like that one, you know, the, you know, the artist that makes the old no comments, comics. I think so that specific one about like, you know, it's that specific one. Like we're not comfortable here.

We're going to make our own space. We don't like you being in your own space.

Rhyner: [01:07:41] Anti-racist does not mean white exclusionist. If you think that you might need to take some time to yourself too. You construct your psyche

Integro: [01:07:55] one. I got you. One comment once we saw [01:08:00] that kind of like Indigo might be on to something here is that we're the reason why they always freak out. When, when black people say black power is because white people, when, when white power was always said, it was always with the intent of putting black people down.

So when they hear black power, what did they think?

Yeah, it makes you think, you know, Because essentially what's going on here is, you know, we, we, we have to go to these white, you know, majority white spaces. It takes us forever. I've seen so many friends that have gone to cons cons, or even just, you know, BiPAP people in general, talk about how they go to cons and they really.

Fucking struggle to find black people or minority people at these cons. It is a struggle for them most of the time. And for all those bi-pod rooms that existed in the past before, that was so cool to me. I always wanted to go to one of those. I think if anything, like if I wanted to, [01:09:00] if I went to a furry con, I would want to be in one of those rooms, it's a finally have a con like that.

That's just like that man. And then it's outdoors. It happened. I'm like, yo, yo like. Yo like, man, if this thing works out, I'm saving my money and I'm going straight up. Harvest moon. We out shit. That's all God. For real

Rhyner: [01:09:23] real indeed, Maryland 20, 22. I'll see you there, buddy.

Integro: [01:09:29] You got it. You got it.

Rhyner: [01:09:33] Oh

my God. All right.

I think that just about wraps everything up. Thank you so much for coming on the show again, Bushie really appreciate it. Had so much fun with you on


Integro: [01:09:47] It's my pleasure. It's my


Rhyner: [01:09:49] I like to listen until you go all speedy, Gonzalez talking all fast and everything.

Integro: [01:09:54] Sorry. It's a bad habit of mine.

Rhyner: [01:09:58] It's all good. It's all good. [01:10:00] All right. Well, if you'd like to support the show, just show this episode around, tell us what you thought, what to improve. All that jazz. We've got a tip jar link below and links to my social media @RhynerAD. On Twitter, my sound engineer @Viogoat. And of course the guests at the hour, Bushi @Solo_UIt, but instead of the now thank you so much for listening and I'll catch you next time.

See ya.

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